tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post3321474880843516635..comments2024-03-29T04:19:43.461-05:00Comments on F This Movie!: Beauty and the Beast (Erich's Take)Patrick Bromleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00771837625286775607noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-2272478851992603432023-09-21T22:22:01.952-05:002023-09-21T22:22:01.952-05:00I'm extremely intrigued by the discussion here...I'm extremely intrigued by the discussion here about the positive value of energetic disagreement within a larger agreement (specific movies within Movies), but I do have to say that I think this may be the only time in human history that Beauty and the Beast, Point Break, and Jurassic Park have all been negatively referred to in a single sentence. Talk about energetic disagreement!Reed Stricklandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02712998532957289455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-82423757342606830672013-02-01T06:59:03.184-06:002013-02-01T06:59:03.184-06:00No one wants you to kiss butt, and no one question...No one wants you to kiss butt, and no one questions your commitment. I wasn't even trying to be contentious. It was a sincere question. Of course you should be honest about your opinions, and we're all big enough boys and girls that we can appreciate different taste. But when someone writes 2,000 words about "here's why I think this is good or effective" and the response is "Nope, hated it," I do think it's a) dismissive and b) a conversation ender instead of a continuation. Not trying to chase you off or suggest that you only agree with us. It just seems like we want different things from movies, so I didn't know what you got from the site. You explained it in your response. On to the Fest.Patrick Bromleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771837625286775607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-87088207759745985152013-02-01T02:59:24.514-06:002013-02-01T02:59:24.514-06:00^^^ YIKES!!!, that came out wrong!
... there isn&#...^^^ <b>YIKES!!!, that came out wrong!</b><br /><i>... there isn't one podcast or article that I haven't listened to/read that I liked</i>... <br /><br />What I meant to say was: <b>There isn't a podcast or article that I've listened to/read that I didn't like</b>, i.e., I liked them all (some more than others). That's what I get for typing a reply at 4AM after working back-to-back shifts at work to get free time on Saturday to watch/comment on the 1991 Film Fest (committed enough for you?).J.M. Vargashttp://www.dvdverdict.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-16302036207234263812013-02-01T02:49:00.606-06:002013-02-01T02:49:00.606-06:00^^^ Pretty sure it wasn't the TV show. I mean...^^^ Pretty sure it wasn't the TV show. I mean, Lumiere and Benjamin Bratt gun down Vincent (suicide-by-TV-cop) after he devours Belle right after she pulls a shotgun on the Gaston-1000 as he was morph-stabbing Vincent in the back. All that is in the cartoon, right? Right? :-P<br /><br />BTW, Erich, wasn't the amount of loading and previews before "Beauty and the Beast" starts on the Blu-ray kind-of ridiculous? I was pressing skip, skip, skip on the PS3 remote for what seemed like forever (OK, two minutes, but still!). If I had a three year-old yelling that he/she wants Belle and the singing teapots I don't know how I would explain Java incompatibility and studio greed to him/her.<br /><br />Patrick, oh, Patrick, what can I say to make you love me again (like when you read my genuine I-love-your-podcast-you-guys-rock-give-me-your-free-stuff e-mails in the podcasts a year ago)? Sorry about "Beauty and the Beast" (I didn't know I was going to hate it until I watched it, if anything I was pre-disposed to thinking I'd like it by blind-buying the Blu-ray), sorry about "Point Break" (you got <i>'spaghetti with marinara sauce'</i> out of it and I got <i>'egg noodles and ketchup'</i>), sorry that "Jurassic Park" is my Spielberg "Lost World"... that "Dances With Wolves" and "Titanic" move me... 3D movies enhance my movie experience... liking "Holy Motors" more than "Cloud Atlas" (me, you and Mike are terribly alone on our love of these)... thinking the world of "The Dark Knight Rises"... the opposite of "Cabin in the Woods," etc. I'm sorry to Mark Ahn and Adam that I think "Silver Linings Playbook" is a piece of shit (nobody was more suprised than me), to JB that "Moonrise Kingdom" didn't do much for me. And so on and so forth ad infinitum. <br /><br />If I were pulling an Armond White on you guys you'd have every right to tell me to go 'F' myself and lick a strawberry blindfolded in the middle of Michigan Avenue. But your genuine love and enthusiasm for movies motivates me to only seek them out but be truthful about them. As a now-serial podcast whore (hi, Mike) there isn't one podcast or article that I haven't listened to/read that I liked, some more than others (OK, lots more) except for that huge out-of-nowhere slam against Michael Cimino in the 'F Directors' series... the hell is that about? :-P <br /><br />And don't we agree on more movies than we disagree about? Isn't "Jack Reacher" awesome? Do you also want to watch "Looper" again right now? DIsn't "Django Unchained" a def deuce mother of a dope flick? Aren't "Last Boy Scout" and "T2" terrific choices for the 1991 Film Fest? Don't know about the other three but hey, there's a 1 out of 3 chances I'll like 1 of them. :-P I'm here because I like you guys, and because as individuals with strong opinions about a hobby we feel strongly-enough to argue about we can at least agree that James Cameron not marrying Zoe Saldana (come on, it had to cross your mind during the "Avatar" hype) is the best to happen to movies since the site came online.<br /><br />So, where do I set the kissing booth to start making ammends? I've stockpiled on blistex so I'm ready to kiss plenty of butt. Who's first? J.M. Vargashttp://www.dvdverdict.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-80673794353532808412013-01-31T22:08:47.964-06:002013-01-31T22:08:47.964-06:00You sure you didn't watch the Ron Perlman TV s...You sure you didn't watch the Ron Perlman TV show by mistake?Erichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16442117462054923058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-56184884046276046992013-01-31T21:43:18.305-06:002013-01-31T21:43:18.305-06:00You don't like anything we like. I do not unde...You don't like anything we like. I do not understand what keeps you coming back.Patrick Bromleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771837625286775607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-83816773770624500152013-01-31T21:13:00.845-06:002013-01-31T21:13:00.845-06:00Having just seen "Beauty and the Beast" ...Having just seen "Beauty and the Beast" on Blu-ray (on a new HDTV that has 120 Hz refresh rate, so the smoothness of the animation and movement fluidity was stunning) I can't share the universal love and enthusiasm for it. I mostly hated it but there were a handful of scenes (the animated objects defending the castle from the village mob) and songs ('Be Our Guest' and Angela Lansbury singing the title track) that saved it from being a total wreck. I'll fess up to a personal bias toward anime ("Sailor Moon" rulz!) and against musicals (which 1/3 of this movie is), but that didn't stop me from flipping over "Sleeping Beauty" as one of the best animated movies I've ever seen. I swear when I watched "Beauty and the Beast" last night the style and character design (particularly Lefou's but pretty much everyone besides Belle and Beast) looked as ugly to me as the Ralph Bakshi animated movies from the 70's and 80's looked when they were measured against Uncle Walt's animated masterpieces.<br /><br />I wasn't crazy about Cocteau's '46 version either but at least there the stuff that was given the Disney treatment here (the candlesticks, the relative wondering into the forest, Avenant being obsessed with Belle, etc.) made sense thematically and with the artistic sensibilities of its makers. To my surprise though both the animated version and the '46 version arrived at the same place for me (which Patrick talked about in his Favorite Movie's podcast): the moment that Beast is gone and he's human again I found myself immediately wishing for and missing the monster. <br /><br />I want to see "Beauty and the Beast" again but I can't tell you how disappointed I was it didn't live to anywhere the reputation it has. Should have seen it when I was a life-loving 18 year-old instead of cranky 40 year-old grouch. :-( J.M. Vargashttp://www.dvdverdict.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-50460318950753055092013-01-31T16:00:22.901-06:002013-01-31T16:00:22.901-06:00Hilarious. And true. I am going home to burn all o...Hilarious. And true. I am going home to burn all of our Disney movies. <br /><br />That's what I was supposed to get from that video, right?Erichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16442117462054923058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-64676602051361836782013-01-31T15:29:30.893-06:002013-01-31T15:29:30.893-06:00What you might be really teaching your daughter.
...What you might be really teaching your daughter. <br /><br />http://www.cracked.com/video_18506_the-4-worst-lessons-disney-movies-taught-us-as-kids.htmlBrad Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18426952757794850746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-23564573717903008162013-01-31T13:28:30.308-06:002013-01-31T13:28:30.308-06:00Thanks! So I probably shouldn't tell you that ...Thanks! So I probably shouldn't tell you that when I asked my daughter again last night whether she liked the movie, she said "no." So glad she doesn't comment on this site.Erichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16442117462054923058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-79993939754099386882013-01-31T13:03:41.710-06:002013-01-31T13:03:41.710-06:00Thoroughly, THOROUGHLY enjoyed this, Erich. It'...Thoroughly, THOROUGHLY enjoyed this, Erich. It's about as perfect as Disney movies get and I really enjoyed learning your thoughts about it through your interactions with your daughter. Very genuine without seeming like a stage dad. Good on you.Alex Lawson https://www.blogger.com/profile/14424072953898761687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-8365674624581163502013-01-31T11:25:26.144-06:002013-01-31T11:25:26.144-06:00Thinking about "Hunchback" - what a fasc...Thinking about "Hunchback" - what a fascinating misfire that movie is. What other kids' movie has a scene where an old dude sings about his forbidden lust for a sexy gypsy woman? I can imagine the fun some parents had trying to explain that scene to their kids.Steve K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02141959251034133806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-52983585022428209852013-01-31T11:14:43.702-06:002013-01-31T11:14:43.702-06:00What? Just because Esmerelda picked the hunky guy...What? Just because Esmerelda picked the hunky guy over Quasi? I'm quite sure that film established a deep and meaningful connection between Esmerelda and whats-his-name to justify their going off together...<br /><br />Oh right. I guess it was because of his abs.Steve K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02141959251034133806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-30083622626938056722013-01-31T11:06:50.242-06:002013-01-31T11:06:50.242-06:00I love "Beauty and the Beast" too! I hav...I love "Beauty and the Beast" too! I have always considered Belle a great role model for girls, and by far the strongest. That why most of Disney's later films infuriate me. The biggest culprit is "The Hunchback of Notre Dame", a movie that completely undermines most of the positive messages that "Beauty and the Beast" contained.Shannon Briggsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-11965778864445944732013-01-31T10:19:07.788-06:002013-01-31T10:19:07.788-06:00Currently, I own the French version of Beauty and ...Currently, I own the French version of Beauty and the Beast as a result of Patrick's ringing endorsment of it from his favorite movies podcast. It's fantastic, and while this one is a bit different, it's no less enjoyable. Would I call it my personal favorite Disney movie? Probably not. I think Aladdin or Peter Pan might have that locked down, but it is highly enjoyable. <br /><br />Not to mention it includes one of the best messages in a Disney movie. I hope more people continue to see this movie and take that message to heart. <br /><br />I very much enjoyed your recounting of your daughter's viewing of it, Erich! Well done! I think I need to order this for my personal collection ASAP, as well!John Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08810774557887719483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-87046863375026009522013-01-31T10:15:16.486-06:002013-01-31T10:15:16.486-06:00Thanks Sol. I'd like to write more about watch...Thanks Sol. I'd like to write more about watching movies with my daughter. What name do you prefer: "15 Minutes At a Time" or "Skipping the Talking Parts"?<br /><br /> Erichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16442117462054923058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-31475518632432139192013-01-31T10:04:34.982-06:002013-01-31T10:04:34.982-06:00Great read, Erich. Revisiting childhood classics w...Great read, Erich. Revisiting childhood classics with your child/ren should be a regular feature from you and/or any of the F This Movie writers.<br /><br /><i>Beauty and the Beast</i> was one of the few movies we owned a VHS of and I watched it many times with my little sister - faux-begrudgingly as it was a GIRL movie but I secretly really liked it and it's definitely one of my favourite pre-Pixar Disney movies. Sol O.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-60437764034610436202013-01-31T09:40:21.189-06:002013-01-31T09:40:21.189-06:00It would take a smarter mind and a longer article ...It would take a smarter mind and a longer article to get into it, but this movie feels like a bridge between older and newer styles. In the way the characters and messages are treated, and the introduction of computer animation to the (gorgeous) 2D hand-drawn art. I haven't had time to dig into the 3-hour making-of doc that comes with the Blu-ray, but I think I need to. Time to return the library copy and pick up one for the home collection.Erichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16442117462054923058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-32173879420314318232013-01-31T09:30:52.169-06:002013-01-31T09:30:52.169-06:00Still my favorite Disney movie, I'm pretty sur...Still my favorite Disney movie, I'm pretty sure.Patrick Bromleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771837625286775607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-49250084940527400722013-01-31T09:29:32.188-06:002013-01-31T09:29:32.188-06:00I believe it was Frank Rich who said that the best...I believe it was Frank Rich who said that the best Broadway show of 1991 was actually at the multiplex. Beauty and the Beast has a wonderful score - and nobody sings that title song like Angela Landsbury.Steve K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02141959251034133806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-92153919995149667992013-01-31T09:26:16.476-06:002013-01-31T09:26:16.476-06:00I still remember seeing this opening weekend at on...I still remember seeing this opening weekend at one of the shoebox theatres upstairs at the Pickwick in Park Ridge (Chicago area folks will know what I'm talking about). The showing was full of parents and little monsters running up and down the aisles (and those little monsters are probably college graduates now and oh god I'm old), until about 2 minutes into the movie when I realized not a kid was moving or talking. I glance around and the the kids are just sitting rapt, absorbed in the story, and I thought to myself that this movie was going to make several mints worth of money. And deservedly for everyone involved, it did.<br /><br />Just want to note also that for me, this is one of the two pillars of the Howard Ashman and Alan Mencken collaboration (the other being Little Shop of Horrors). It's a freaking great collections that are not only enjoyable but also move the story very well (we all love a montage here at F This Movie, and though there is no kickboxing in it I'll maintain that "Something There" is a damn great montage song).Joseph Finnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17168159790992899470noreply@blogger.com