tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post3663965147059348117..comments2024-03-18T15:46:07.295-05:00Comments on F This Movie!: F This Movie! - Oz the Great and PowerfulPatrick Bromleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00771837625286775607noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-11172051740005020582013-03-13T21:26:39.028-05:002013-03-13T21:26:39.028-05:00This movie was misconceived as a prequel. If one W...This movie was misconceived as a prequel. If one WERE to make a prequel, one may try to write it backwards. But in this case, the end makes the LEAST amount of sense. <br /><br />3D<br /><br />I saw this in 3D. Let me preface by saying I hated Avatar. I also hate 3d. Last one I saw was Coraline and that gave me a headache. This did not. <br /><br />To your point on the brightness level, I didn't get that, so perhaps thats a problem w/ the 3d vs 2d. <br /><br />STANDING IN THE LONG SHADOW<br /><br />As insane of an assignment as this movie was, no matter what you do you'll be forever in a 74 year old shadow, I still rather enjoyed this movie. Didn't say it was great, or even good for that matter. I enjoyed the experience. Call me a contrarian (no I don't like Aliens, yes I like Alien 3--so I'm THAT guy), but I'll stick my head in the ground & call myself an outlier. <br /><br />You compared it to a ride. Thats what it was. an enjoyable ride. That leaves you with little else after you've disembarked. Funny where it was it was supposed to be. Deliberate artificiality in the effects.<br /><br />you could go on forever (or about 45 minutes in your case) listing what was wrong. I'd boil it down to 2 things: <br /><br />Casting & Interaction with FX. <br /><br />The price tag of these effects, came on the shoulders of this casting. So the effects & the casting is the snake eating its own tale taking down the whole movie (well not to me, but almost). <br /><br />CAST<br /><br />James Franco. I will say that he is NOT a character actor. Oz isn't a lead part. Its a character part. We needed a modern-day Frank Morgan. <br /><br />Leading men are limited. They won't go out on a limb for a part. <br /><br />Miscast?! Why yes!!! Franco. oi! But Wililams. Sorry disagree. I thought she & Weiss were the best cast (Braff worked best as a human). <br /><br />I thought Kunis was great as the Wicked Green Goblin of the West (her public reveal was just as bad as the Green Goblins first public appearance in Spidey). She overacts just as much as Dafoe did. <br /><br />FX<br /><br />Instead of musical numbers its a CG ride (beating the dead horse of your analogy). <br /><br />Its not an equal swtich-out. It a diminished return that makes the film cacophonous, resulting in Oz: The Loud & Long. <br /><br />As great as David Bowie's little China Girl was visually, whenever one of the actors tried to pick her up, it doesn't work. She has no weight. The actors are either looking cross-eyed or are cupping air while holding her. <br /><br />To the point of being swallowed by the fake background while walking around…makes we think of another recent movie with diminutive characters in a fantasy world. hmmm…<br /><br />(didn't I say I enjoyed this?!)<br /><br />I liked the FX. Just not when actors were in it. <br /><br />Raimi did make interesting choices. When to acknowledge the past, when to diverge. <br /><br />Thought the same thing with the over-sexualization of the witches (e.g. Mila Kunis' cleavage -- hmmm…good band name). See also Avengers: Black Widow interrogation of Loki. Head shot on Loki. johanssons butt. hiddleston Head. johanssons butt. & so on & so forth<br /><br />what movie were we talking about again? <br /><br />Points valid all around. No really! I never said you were A-holes. I agreed with most of what you said, I just come out liking it a tad more than you. <br /><br />Now to guess the miscasting of the live action Beauty & the Beast: my money is on Ryan Gosling as both beauty & the Beast. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13216491646543142615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-73972902692894283642013-03-13T09:21:45.994-05:002013-03-13T09:21:45.994-05:00I saw Unbearable Lightness of Being for the first ...I saw <i>Unbearable Lightness of Being</i> for the first time a couple of years ago, and it was definitely watchable but I was watching it thinking "I don't know about this..." But then as days went by, I kept thinking about it, and now I think it's pretty great (title aside). I'll bet if I watched it again, it would only be better.Patrick Bromleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771837625286775607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-6826281165507219002013-03-13T01:33:41.174-05:002013-03-13T01:33:41.174-05:00Well done Adam, you are a perfect fit for F This M...Well done Adam, you are a perfect fit for F This Movie. Very good episode.<br /><br />Just a thought about the "Chosen One" trend in movies. While its certainly nothing new I do agree that it is going through a phase of popularity at the moment. It may be related to what is said about Gen Y/the "current" generation, in that they expect to become millionaires for nothing, as in with no effort. This whole idea of being plucked out of obscurity for no reason beyond having that special something that no one can see, that no one really gets, but you know is there and thats why you are a special and unique snowflake, seems to be the catch cry of the Me generation, or more specifically what the Gen X'ers and above say about the Gen Y's and younger (is there a younger, everyone below 25 seems like a child to me).<br />Maybe the Chosen One theme/plot resonates with them more than with us.<br /><br />Oh, and Fuck Oz....I haven't seen, but Fuck It!Brad Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18426952757794850746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-74391135103693494142013-03-12T23:34:01.145-05:002013-03-12T23:34:01.145-05:00Edward G. Robinson was my favorite part of Soylent...Edward G. Robinson was my favorite part of Soylent Green. I'm woefully behind in his filmography but I really liked him in Double Indemnity as well.Adam Riskehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01165600746796326821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-184891954301795322013-03-12T23:30:32.477-05:002013-03-12T23:30:32.477-05:00I saw it because I thought Oz The Great and Powerf...I saw it because I thought Oz The Great and Powerful was about Chris Klein's lacrosse career in American Pie.Adam Riskehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01165600746796326821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-18369584596477901362013-03-12T23:28:16.304-05:002013-03-12T23:28:16.304-05:00I listened to the American Pie podcast and yes I d...I listened to the American Pie podcast and yes I do sound like Jason. WeirdAdam Riskehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01165600746796326821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-23137305202174945962013-03-12T20:44:31.914-05:002013-03-12T20:44:31.914-05:00Ah, I see where you're coming from there, Patr...Ah, I see where you're coming from there, Patrick.Joseph Finnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17168159790992899470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-10669037127876976572013-03-12T20:17:44.108-05:002013-03-12T20:17:44.108-05:00Yeah, I've got a habit of derailing conversati...Yeah, I've got a habit of derailing conversations. I think I might have AD--squirrel!<br /><br />Fuck THIS Oz was kind of the impression I got from the podcast, right? I watched the original MANY times as a youngster and recently saw it on blu-ray (amazing!) and as wonderful as it is I've never felt the need for more of it, you know? And did anyone really? If it starred Judy Garland and the rest of the original cast maybe, but science owes me a fuckin T-Rex way before a Bert Lahr, you know what I'm saying?<br /><br />Which reminds me - how many kids with ADD does it take to screw in a lightbulb?<br /><br />...<br /><br />Wanna ride bikes?Sol O.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-14869445872412007722013-03-12T19:31:44.439-05:002013-03-12T19:31:44.439-05:00Terrific podcast! I am particularly appreciative ...Terrific podcast! I am particularly appreciative of the shout-out Adam gave to Soylent Green. That movie is a massive downer, but it features a beautiful performance (his last) by Edward G. Robinson. His last scene with Heston makes me tear up every time.<br /><br />And referring to the discussion about Oz...what do you call that strange movie world where every possible demographic is equally pandered to? A demography?Steve K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02141959251034133806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-84222723860036632192013-03-12T19:20:09.957-05:002013-03-12T19:20:09.957-05:00So, FIRST, Adam, great to hear you on the podcast....So, FIRST, Adam, great to hear you on the podcast. You did well, son. So proud...sniff. And you made this officially the most food heavy episode of F This Movie ever. I gained 6 pounds while listening. <br /><br />Second, I must confess my initial thought when I saw the movie for this week's episode was "why on earth would they go see that?" I can't say you sufficiently answered that question, but the movie does not sound as bad as I thought it would now that I've heard you guys discuss it. I think for me the idea of continued adventures in Oz seemed wrong for Disney to do and felt very much like a quick attempt to continue the goodwill they felt they had with audiences after <em>Alice in Wonderland</em> made all of the dollars. Plus, it confused me (and you guys too, it sounds like) that THIS was the story they chose to tell when the perfectly sufficient and beloved play Wicked has become an accepted part of that universe and is, in my mind, begging to be adapted to film.<br /><br />Given what you guys said about this one, Wicked is a much better story (though not perfect) that plays out over a period of years and has pretty realistic and compelling motivations for the Wicked Witch to end up where she does. Plus, <em>The Wizard of Oz</em> is a musical with some truly breathtaking songs, so it makes sense that any other Oz projects (like <em>The Wiz!</em> should be musicals too. And Wicked, to my memory, doesn't have one foot planted in the real world and another planted in imagination-land. It's all just icing on the cake that is the story we already know. <br /><br />Also, I think now I HAVE to see <em>Streets of Fire.</em><br /><br />Great show!Heath Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802874033845631338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-71140113053323665842013-03-12T19:11:13.466-05:002013-03-12T19:11:13.466-05:00Well, there is that scene where Costner refers to ...Well, there is that scene where Costner refers to a baseball bat as his "boomstick."<br /><br />Heath Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802874033845631338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-57587900272391342952013-03-12T15:13:24.630-05:002013-03-12T15:13:24.630-05:00Haha, thanks.Haha, thanks.Michael OBriennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-65879177562157146882013-03-12T15:12:26.351-05:002013-03-12T15:12:26.351-05:00This might be my favorite comments to a column bec...This might be my favorite comments to a column because it's all 'fuck Oz, I just want to talk about stuff.'Adam Riskehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01165600746796326821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-28718997857183311972013-03-12T15:02:23.135-05:002013-03-12T15:02:23.135-05:00But I'm already blaming him for not winning th...But I'm already blaming him for not winning the lottery. HOW MUCH BLAME CAN ONE MAN GET?!Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284575713661622624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-9892297164518807872013-03-12T15:01:18.478-05:002013-03-12T15:01:18.478-05:00Also, because you C&P'd your name from (I&...Also, because you C&P'd your name from (I'm assuming) MS Word, and because Word changes "straight" apostrophes to "smart" (or curved) apostrophes, Blogger interpreted the apostrophe in your last name as junk code, hence the '. THE MORE YOU KNOW.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284575713661622624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-75978225187051389092013-03-12T14:47:27.404-05:002013-03-12T14:47:27.404-05:00Awww, sorry to bring up a touchy subject buddy. It...Awww, sorry to bring up a touchy subject buddy. It looked like Transformers killed at least a couple hundred thousand Chicagogonianites so blame Michael Bay? Sol O.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-49304561077927422252013-03-12T14:35:48.533-05:002013-03-12T14:35:48.533-05:00Well look at that, Doug, you most certaintly are c...Well look at that, Doug, you most certaintly are correct. "I'm 90 years old so i computer what dont is" But enough of insulting seniors, Doug thanks, really didnt know that. Michael O'Briennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-45992836307396819732013-03-12T14:22:00.354-05:002013-03-12T14:22:00.354-05:00I know it shouldn't, but I can't tell you ...I know it shouldn't, but I can't tell you how much this new population data upsets me. I AM VERY PETTY.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284575713661622624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-41968670333921385092013-03-12T14:21:29.102-05:002013-03-12T14:21:29.102-05:00Just an FYI -- you can also comment with "Nam...Just an FYI -- you can also comment with "Name/URL" (and just leave the URL blank, I think). Also, WE FOLLOW YOU ON TWITTER YOU'RE WELCOME WE ARE BFFs OKAY BYE.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284575713661622624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-74871520965144173382013-03-12T14:15:07.425-05:002013-03-12T14:15:07.425-05:00I actually watched 'Phantom of the Paradise...I actually watched 'Phantom of the Paradise' (because of your favorite movies podcast) and loved it (also watched 'Blow Out' because of one of the podcasts and that's now one of my favorite films), so you saying SoF is more accessible gets me even more jazzed.<br /><br />'The Wanderers' is completely overlooked and Philip Kaufman, IMO, is an overlooked filmmaker. 'The Right Stuff' is also great and very watchable (especially at 3 hours and 13 minutes). I havent seen 'The Unbearable Lightness of Being' (which gets the douchiest title award) but i hear it's also very good. <br /><br />'The Wanderers does contain the best use of Stand By Me. It comes at the perfect point in the film when all the characters are at their lowest. Come to think of it, the soundtrack rulez ("Z" you ask? Yes, because i'm one of them rebels). You got some Franki Valli and of course The Wanderer by Dion (which, admittedly, is probabaly used one too many times but the song is so great that I cant get enough of it). So yea, Patrick/Adam, peep out 'The Wanderers', it's "f-ing amazing". <br /><br />P.S: I'm @MikeOBry on twitter, just putting that, not so you can follow me, but because anonymous sounds creepy and I'm too lazy to sign into google. But thanks for responding!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-23888693935634538802013-03-12T14:08:49.385-05:002013-03-12T14:08:49.385-05:00Great podcast guys - Adam, you did great - I had t...Great podcast guys - Adam, you did great - I had to double-check because I thought you sounded a lot like that Jason guy from the American Pie podcast - apparently there is a Chicago accent...P.S. Chicago - condolences on giving up the 4th Most Populated North American City spot to Toronto (in spite of Patrick and Doug's recent efforts). To be fair I think they did the headcount BEFORE our annual Winter Cull (we use the Seal Hunt to distract the World from our Sick and Elderly Hunt) so it should probably have an asterisk.<br /><br />I don't know what to say about this movie other than thanks for saving me the price of a ticket. I'm sure I'll watch it at some point but will definitely hold off until it hits the movie channel.<br /><br />Off to catch up on some other columns - this place is just pumping out the content lately! Sol O.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-49891452504364025312013-03-12T10:14:24.752-05:002013-03-12T10:14:24.752-05:00I totally agree. The only reason I would call it S...I totally agree. The only reason I would call it Sam Raimi's worst movie is because there is NO sign of him in it. The movie probably has fewer problems than <i>Spider-Man 3</i> and even <i>Oz</i>, but at least I can see Raimi in those. If <i>For Love of the Game</i> had been directed by anyone else, it would never be associated with the word "worst." Because it is totally fine.Patrick Bromleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771837625286775607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-61188730213586665732013-03-12T10:04:25.812-05:002013-03-12T10:04:25.812-05:00Wait, what's especially wrong with For The Lov...Wait, what's especially wrong with For The Love Of The Game? It's a perfectly acceptable, if a bit schmaltzy, romance/baseball movie.Joseph Finnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17168159790992899470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-2976139552680533872013-03-12T01:40:07.951-05:002013-03-12T01:40:07.951-05:00You got me wrong doc. You didn't upstage Patr...You got me wrong doc. You didn't upstage Patrick, you complemented him (which is the best the regular contributors can hope to do against such a rising talented podcasting behemoth... no joke, listen to the "Prometheus" podcast for proof), hence the monkeys (who are filing an ACLU lawsuit against Disney for portraying them as banana-liking savages) were never in any danger of coming out of their barrels to get you.<br />See? I was complementing you all along. ;-P ;-) ;-)J.M. Vargashttp://www.dvdverdict.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-87901012707414424792013-03-11T22:46:31.515-05:002013-03-11T22:46:31.515-05:00That's a very astute observation -- Streets of...That's a very astute observation -- <i>Streets of Fire</i> shares the same DNA as <i>Phantom of the Paradise</i>, and it makes sense that I love them both. <i>SoF</i> is more accessible than <i>Phantom</i>, if that helps. I think <i>Streets of Fire</i> is going to show up on Netflix Instant at the start of April.<br /><br />It's been YEARS since I saw <i>The Wanderers</i>, but I remember liking it. I sought it out because Quentin Tarantino talked about it in the linear notes to the <i>Pulp Fiction</i> soundtrack (I think?). He said it used "Stand by Me" before <i>Stand by Me</i> (in the scene where Ken Wahl finds out that SPOILERS Kennedy has been shot). His argument was that <i>The Wanderers</i> owns that song.<br /><br />I've always been amazed that <i>The Warriors</i> is such a beloved cult movie (I like it) but <i>The Wanderers</i> is totally overlooked.Patrick Bromleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771837625286775607noreply@blogger.com