tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post985043106977160689..comments2024-03-27T15:16:57.305-05:00Comments on F This Movie!: What is the Value of a Movie?Patrick Bromleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00771837625286775607noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-79157510677001679432014-02-02T04:38:56.866-06:002014-02-02T04:38:56.866-06:00Personally I will still buy movies, partially beca...Personally I will still buy movies, partially because I still like to own the film and also one of the problems with all of these streaming services is that they are very segmented, the reason Netflix stays on high I believe is its combination of TV and Movie titles without being overly beholden to one studio (although I do know they have some deals in place.)<br /><br />If the movie truly entertains me I will want to have the best version of it to peruse at my leisure and I find it very unlikely that DVD and Blu-Ray will ever completely disappear (internet service isn't perfect). Their does come a point when it starts to hurt your finances to buy a new blu-ray collectors set (I am talking to you insanely expensive box sets) so lowering prices slightly for certain big release movies could be beneficial. As for special features for certain movies I want it, however if the studios need to cut the directors commentary for Ride Along to save a few bucks I am fine with that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01113718068790634277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-15484333548584840832014-02-01T23:30:45.425-06:002014-02-01T23:30:45.425-06:00So I still buy movies. I still pay to see movies i...<i>So I still buy movies. I still pay to see movies in a theater. I have never, ever pirated a movie and never will. I still assign a value to movies. Not everyone does.</i><br /><br />If the people I'm around on a regular basis are any indication then we're a dying species. I'm actually laughed at (sometimes disparagingly) during conversations when I mention buying physical media and never downloading/watching a pirated movie or TV show. It's probably a generational thing since most of those that have this attitude are folks in their early/mid-20's, but there are a few (even some in their 20's) that still value a movie enough to pay to see them via Netflix subscription and the occasional movie ticket purchase. Guess your question is a great divider among those that pirate or not, since the former aren't as likely to have asked themselves the question since they clearly not value movies enough to worry that their piracy is undercutting their existence in the first place.J.M. Vargashttp://www.dvdverdict.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-13749096011976158192014-01-31T19:00:36.594-06:002014-01-31T19:00:36.594-06:00Band is a con man who will do anything for people ...Band is a con man who will do anything for people money. And makes 3 films a year snd there total crap. He needs to concentrate on blu ray. Nlu ray made 8billionit in america last year just in sales alone. His company is doing to well because his films are pure crap ! Ifs that simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-46589792972817679152014-01-31T15:06:20.307-06:002014-01-31T15:06:20.307-06:00Ketchup Doritos? My head just exploded.Ketchup Doritos? My head just exploded.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10475027751253870681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-57661482589030014042014-01-31T13:14:15.641-06:002014-01-31T13:14:15.641-06:00Brad - firstly, there's only one Great One and...Brad - firstly, there's only one Great One and his name is Wayne Gretzky. In Canada that's who we pray to before every meal. I am far too humble and fucking amazing to accept that title. Secondly, I really am in no position to give lessons on avoiding long, boring rants - frankly [DELETED FOR BEING LONG AND BORING].<br /><br />Doug - that's how we roll in Canada - when we FINALLY invade the U.S., "pop" will be the codeword for sympathizers who wish to avoid being shipped off to die in the harsh conditions of our Ketchup Dorito Camps.Solhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03114869401584310369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-43401495776796322852014-01-31T10:17:32.067-06:002014-01-31T10:17:32.067-06:00Thank you for saying "pop" instead of &q...Thank you for saying "pop" instead of "soda."Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284575713661622624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-64162194112170255602014-01-31T10:02:12.230-06:002014-01-31T10:02:12.230-06:00Glad you dig it. There's a lot of really good ...Glad you dig it. There's a lot of really good stuff there.<br /><br />Yeah, Full Moon Streaming was never meant as a competitor to Netflix; maybe I was unclear in the article. It's a service for fans that makes them kind of like shareholders -- much more niche than Netflix. That's one of its greatest strengths. But it's also why I mentioned that I don't necessarily want to subscribe to 20 different things to have access to what I like. It may never go that way (not everyone has Full Moon's built-in fanbase and brand recognition).<br /><br />I want to sex you up?Patrick Bromleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771837625286775607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-3093778313055752962014-01-31T08:41:00.590-06:002014-01-31T08:41:00.590-06:00I started checking out the Killer POV podcast. Its...I started checking out the Killer POV podcast. Its a great listen, thanks again Patrick.<br />In hearing Brand explain his streaming program it sounds much more interesting than I originally thought. For a niche market and for products with a cult following it could really work (opposed to an attempt to compete with Netflix as I originally envisioned). It also sounds like a sure fire winner come Junesploitation 2 (if that ends up being a thing again).<br />Colour me even More optimistic.....then badd.Brad Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18426952757794850746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-65813859494535403132014-01-30T20:03:21.052-06:002014-01-30T20:03:21.052-06:00Deleting a long boring rant. That's a skill I ...Deleting a long boring rant. That's a skill I could benefit from. Teach me your ways o' great one. Brad Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18426952757794850746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-84312751538363468662014-01-30T20:00:23.579-06:002014-01-30T20:00:23.579-06:00Im noticing my patience isnt what it used to be, w...Im noticing my patience isnt what it used to be, which is really highlighted/maintained/increased with Netflix streaming. In terms of value, its all too easy to turn it off and chose something else if im not getting into it quickly. Brad Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18426952757794850746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-91902186535972859902014-01-30T19:57:13.621-06:002014-01-30T19:57:13.621-06:00Yeah, I agree. Updates on your Full Moon journey w...Yeah, I agree. Updates on your Full Moon journey would be interesting. Brad Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18426952757794850746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-23594444507986406762014-01-30T13:08:55.023-06:002014-01-30T13:08:55.023-06:00I listened to the Rian Johnson Looper commentary. ...I listened to the Rian Johnson Looper commentary. It is great, and just the sort of thing I hope more filmmakers will embrace as disc bonus features go away.John Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08810774557887719483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-62203241456946148062014-01-30T12:16:46.012-06:002014-01-30T12:16:46.012-06:00Rian Johnson did that with a commentary for LOOPER...Rian Johnson did that with a commentary for LOOPER from his tumblr. I'd miss the commentary tracks the most, if it comes to that; I could live without the rest.<br /><br />Some other stuff I was reading mentions how Netflix is going to more of a TV show catalog, because that's what encourages the binge watching that they like. I've been thinking about going back to the disc plan for Netflix, just so that I have access to their entire catalog (which theoretically is every movie on disc), rather than just putzing around on streaming.Mark Ahnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00695975412662760562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-31067035814966974002014-01-30T12:12:16.846-06:002014-01-30T12:12:16.846-06:00Great article, Patrick - the answer to your questi...Great article, Patrick - the answer to your question is $7.46.<br /><br />No, seriously, it is an interesting question with complex answers that will vary from person to person - I just deleted a long (boring) rant on the subject but figured I'd stick to the main point: I love my physical media - it's still the main way I consume movies and I will be there to the bitter end - but the beauty of digital distribution is that it's easy to tailor it to individual wants and needs - at the moment services like Netflix can keep it simple and offer these basic flat-rate packages but as more options/competition arise I'm sure we'll all be able to find plans that work best for each of us. e.g. Full Moon will come up with a cheaper package to get at least some of my entertainment dollars proportionate to how many of THEIR movies I might want to watch. Gold, silver and bronze memberships and all that - I imagine that's what we'll see more of.<br /><br />I think the interesting side-effect of the big studios offering streaming services will be that it will put them in direct competition with each other like never before. I'm sure none of us ever think, "Do I want to watch a 20th Century Fox movie tonight or a Paramount?" Their competition from the consumer's perspective is like the competition between, say, pop and chocolate milk - it's not a brand decision, you just buy what you feel like at the moment. But if we're now faced with deciding between which studios' $X/month streaming services we want, and that's (one of) their main source of revenue, Fox and Paramount suddenly become Coke and Pepsi - it will shake up the industry in a big way - my gut tells me not for the better but I guess it's hard to say.<br /><br />There, still boring, but shorter at least.<br /><br />I would be very interested in reading about your experience with the Full Moon service - it might convince me to sign up myself!Solhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03114869401584310369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-41458038048619704692014-01-30T10:52:35.773-06:002014-01-30T10:52:35.773-06:00I wouldn't mind if we were able to get the com...I wouldn't mind if we were able to get the commentaries and/or documentaries that might be included on the disc through a downloadable form in a different location. I can see that as where things might go, and that's fine with me. I just don't want extras to disappear completely. They almost always add value into a movie by furthering my understanding of either how it was made or the subtext/themes/hidden jokes contained therein.John Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08810774557887719483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-73816865193787310672014-01-30T10:14:53.041-06:002014-01-30T10:14:53.041-06:00I don't know that bonus features are as import...I don't know that bonus features are as important to getting the full "value" out of a movie as taking the time after to think, talk, and read about it; but I'd hate for them to disappear entirely.<br /><br />You can tell when a studio doesn't care about bonus features beyond a bulleted list on the back of the box. Those extras are the hardest to sit through. I'd be fine with back-patting EPKs and dumb repurposed web videos going away. <br /><br />I bet the filmmakers who actually give a damn and make the best extras will find a way. I don't know if Edgar Wright's <i>Ant-Man</i> will come with the standard insane number of bonus features as his other movies, but I can't imagine Eddie-baby would be happy losing extras entirely. Maybe commentaries become podcasts or mp3 direct downloads from directors' web sites. Maybe they hire pals to shoot making-of docs for YouTube, or as separate entries on Netflix. When special features first emerged there was no other way to listen to commentaries or watch featurettes. That's all changed.Erichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16442117462054923058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-67778004625182500982014-01-30T10:11:25.914-06:002014-01-30T10:11:25.914-06:00I'm starting to get worried by the number of c...I'm starting to get worried by the number of choices that are coming down the pipe. I might be in the minority here but when there are too many choices my impulse is to start shedding - e.g. I got rid of Netflix disc plan, HBO, Starz etc. because it gets to be too many things (when combined with theaters, netflix streaming, on demand, library etc.). I can only handle so many options before they feel like a burden rather than an enhancement.Adam Riskehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01165600746796326821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-46760629197202739142014-01-30T09:46:48.781-06:002014-01-30T09:46:48.781-06:00Does it worry you at all, then, that special featu...Does it worry you at all, then, that special features are going to go away? Studios aren't as willing to spend any money on them anymore, and a lot of streaming services don't have the capability of carrying them (though some may start being posted online?). Do you think your viewing or your enjoyment will suffer at all if you can't dig any deeper?Patrick Bromleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00771837625286775607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-87584139999465663382014-01-30T09:34:04.425-06:002014-01-30T09:34:04.425-06:00This is fascinating. As you work your way through ...This is fascinating. As you work your way through Full Moon's catalog, I would love your thoughts to be posted here. I may be following suit by subscribing as well.Heath Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802874033845631338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-242021413021946802014-01-30T09:30:08.384-06:002014-01-30T09:30:08.384-06:00This is something I struggle with for all the medi...This is something I struggle with for all the media I consume. The easier and cheaper it gets to legally watch/read/play/listen to stuff, the less time I spend watching, reading, playing, listening, and (most importantly) thinking about it all. I love having choice and access, and I love that artists have a way to get their stuff in front of more people than under old business models, but when I don't have a stake in what I'm consuming I don't value it as much. I might think I do, but my habits say otherwise. <br /><br />It's one of the reasons I still enjoy reviewing movies for DVD Verdict. Although having to watch everything on a Blu-ray or DVD and then write about it means I have a lot less time per week to watch other movies for fun, I get way more out of the movies I review after watching them several times, listening to commentaries, digging through the bonus features, and then formulating my thoughts in print. <br /><br />I don't always have time to watch "for fun" movies more than once, and I don't watch bonus features in any way proportionate to the value I place on them when considering a Blu-ray purchase. There's just too much to watch. I love watching and collecting movies. I would hate to go all-digital. I love having choice. I just hate the way having endless choice often leaves me paralyzed to make any choice at all. Erichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16442117462054923058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-41538442795407940602014-01-30T09:04:52.681-06:002014-01-30T09:04:52.681-06:00Hi Patrick, great article. I'm off to work so ...Hi Patrick, great article. I'm off to work so I don't have time to really comment. However, I am pretty friendly with Rob Galluzzo so I hope you don't mind that I sent him this writing. I think he'll greatly enjoy it.Cameron Cloutierhttp://www.bodianstfilms.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4217427319662074458.post-29652174642010997172014-01-30T08:12:33.475-06:002014-01-30T08:12:33.475-06:00Cool article. Very thought provoking.
A couple poi...Cool article. Very thought provoking.<br />A couple points. <br />First, What is the value of a movie has two ends to consider, the amount we the audience pay and the amount the studio receive (looking at the Netflix model). One looks at how much we, and therefore society, value the product (value in both senses of the word), the other looks at what gets put back into the revenue stream and supports the product. I really dont know how Netflix works like that, do the movies I actually watch get a greater percentage of my fee or support them to stay on Netflix longer so they get another month rental?<br />But its a big question, which is more important; how much I pay or how much they get?<br /><br />Second<br />The model proposed is an interesting idea. My prediction though is that having access to one studio (plus minor acquisitions) would get old pretty quick. It would end up turning into a flavour of the month scenario. I support any studio, particularly one like Band's, to make the system work for them and to be active in the quest for being profitable in the digital era, but at the end of the day if im not being entertained im not going to pay my money and when it comes to killer dolls novelty is a big factor and it can wear off pretty quick.<br />And the tail wagging the dog notion with the merch. One or two killer dolls/puppets movies was fun, but try doing what me and HHH did and watch a whole bunch of them at once. Its tough. So capitalising on that one aspect of the cycle results in a catalogue that isnt as interesting or at least diminished returns. <br /><br />Dont get me wrong, Im definitley going to check this streaming system out (like Cormans youtube), and I AM optimistic. These were just some of the initial thoughts that popped into my head. Im a sad negative little boy. <br /><br />Here's to the Future!<br /><br />And thanks for the POV tip Patrick. Ill add that to the list after F and Movie Crypt.Brad Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18426952757794850746noreply@blogger.com