Wednesday, February 18, 2015

F This Movie! - Casino Royale (2006)

Reboot the Bond franchise with Patrick and Mike!



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Also discussed this episode: The Imitation Game (2014), Nightcrawler (2014), John Wick (2014), The Thin Man (1934), Summer of Blood (2014), Lucy (2014), Well Now You're Here, There's No Way Back (2014), Paul Williams Still Alive (2012)

28 comments:

  1. Still listening to the podcast, but as far as Adele doing a repeat for Spectre goes, I just wanted to point out that she'd not be the only repeat. Shirley Bassey did it three times, for Goldfinger, Moonraker, and Diamonds are Forever.

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  2. Great podcast! Casino Royale is one of my favorite Bonds, although I agree that Skyfall is better. What holds back Casino Royale for me is the weirdly protracted third act (after Bond is tortured) which feels like a different movie. That is actually a holdover from the Fleming novel - after Bond is "saved" we get page after page of tedious romantic philosophizing before Vesper's betrayal is revealed. "The bitch is dead" is in fact in the book, and I agree it feels out of place in the movie (even if it's played by Craig as "he doth protest too much"). The scenes between Bond and Vesper are so great. When we see Bond put on the tuxedo for the first time, we are witnessing Bond in the act of creating himself (thus the end line is perfect).

    All hail Gentleman Timothy Dalton!

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  3. If you're looking for another hook after you get through every "first" Bond, you could try "guilty pleasure Bonds." The ones you know you shouldn't like, but do. So Patrick would certainly want to do The Man With the Golden Gun. If it were me it would be Moonraker.

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  4. Dear P-Broms, I want to preface this comment by saying that I'm a fellow Chicago-area dweller who loves your podcast and I don't intend for any this to sound disrespectful. So here goes: I know its easy to completely disregard the Academy Awards, but the truth is that they make a significant cultural impact and are often hugely influential. The Oscars shape public perception and can really help bring awareness to certain films that would otherwise fly under the radar. Do you really think 12 Years A Slave would have made $187 million at the box office if it wasn't for the Academy? I totally get your "fuck them" attitude, they piss me off just as much. But I think it does more harm than good when you view them in such a hateful, dismissive way because they aren't obsolete. Wouldn't it be better to keep shining a light on their massive blunders rather than constantly saying that they don't matter? They DO matter, so I'd rather them be better. But the only way that will happen is if we keep publicly shaming them when they mess up and praising them when they get it right. You once said that you liked when Tarantino told Film Critic Hulk, "Never hate a movie. It won't help you and its a waste of time." Well sir, I say to you: Never hate a movie awards show, it won't help you (or it) and its a waste of time.

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    1. Hey, DoD - Thanks for your comment. Your point is well taken and at no point were you disrespectful at all, so I appreciate that. I generally try not to talk about the awards, because I think it's a waste of time to complain about them when so many people like them and are made happy by them. And you're absolutely right -- they do serve a positive function. More people are seeing Boyhood and Whiplash and several other movies they might not otherwise see this year because they are nominated for Oscars. That's great. I still tend to think they do more harm than good in the long run, but I should keep that to myself. And I promise I don't actually hate them -- I'm just indifferent towards them and would rather ignore them. I really do appreciate your comments! Thanks!

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  5. I'm saving the rest for my journey tomorrow but I really enjoyed the Cool World podcast mostly due to the baffelment in your voices as the show went on haha.

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  6. Since Patrick mentioned top 5, I checked my Letterboxd rankings and Casino Royale is exactly #5 (behind From Russia With Love, Skyfall, Goldfinger and Dr. No). Then again, Her Majesty's Secret Service is #6 so take my listing as you may.

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  7. Great to see another Bond podcast guys. The Live and Let Die podcast is one of my favourites and I was thrilled to welcome back the always polite, always courteous, T-Dalts.
    I'd also be happy to hear another Roger Moore bond podcast, mainly because it's hilarious how much Patrick hates Roger Moore.

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  8. You should do each Bond's most acclaimed and most panned film

    So Goldfinger, Diamonds Are Forever, The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, License to Kill, Die Another Day, and Quantum of Solace

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    1. Nice episode guys. It seems like the big debate here was Skyfall vs Casino Royale and while I agree with Patrick that Skyfall is the superior film, I’ve seen Casino Royale far more times then I have seen Skyfall and I think I have figured out why. Casino Royale is like having dinner at that really nice TGI Fridays where as Skyfall is 5 star dining for your anniversary. You can’t deny that Skyfall’s select menu and wines is an award winning culinary classic but on a day to day basis you really like those BBQ Jack chicken strips at TGI Fridays (TGI Fridays the official unofficial restaurant of F This Movie).

      For future Bond Casts may I recommend a theme of Best Bond girl movies, or if you want to speed things up in the case of getting through all of them I would say except for Spy who Loved Me and For your Eyes Only just do one podcast for the 4 remaining Moore movies and call it “The best/worst of Grampa Rapey”.

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  9. My favorite Bond film - bar none - and the one I re-watch the most. It just did everything right.

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  10. I absolutely loved the not talking about the awards talking about the awards section of the podcast, made me smile everytime they popped up. Hey Mike get off! Thats my leg

    Fair comments by Dave above about how he feels but I am closer to Patrick's opinions, I think some of the votes and some of the films that are ignored is straight up crazy, no other word for it
    I did love Whiplash though so im kinda contradicting myself I know

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  11. And Mikes British accent is fantastic. Im British and I can't do that voice. I wish I could ;)

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  12. One comment about The Thin Man - I love that movie unreservedly. So many movies either show 2 people in the process of falling in love, or 2 people trapped in a bland, boring, or intolerable marriage (like How to Murder Your Wife). How refreshing to see a movie that shows a married couple who continue to get a kick out of each other and who clearly are still into each other. The Thin Man is one of the funniest and most hopeful depictions of marriage on film.

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  13. I'm having an ongoing argument with my friend about The Imitation Game, he really likes it and I don't. So I'm curious as to what your more specific thoughts are about why you didn't like it.

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  14. Casino Royale is my favorite Bond film mostly because it's the most self-reflexive. It asks why people like James Bond and then builds an entire movie around giving us an answer. By any reasonable metric James Bond is a horrible human being. He murders people without compunction, is callously indifferent in his eagerness to fuck and then discard women, and is coated in smug self-congratulation about everything.

    Casino Royale faces the reality of Bond head-on, doubles down on what's ugly about him, and then still leaves you with the final image of Bond with a giant machine gun uttering the classic last name first refrain as he towers over a helpless man he's about to murder. It's a moment so menacing and fist-pumping at the same time that it explains 50 years of cultural fascination with a character who is only about two degrees and a license to kill removed from Travis Bickle.

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  15. Was the singer you were trying to remember Lana Del Rey? Because it almost sounded like you were talking about Shirley Manson...but you can't say she "can barely sing".

    Am I the only one that finds this thing about a "damaged" Bond is like the same Dark Knight/Man of Steel brooding stuff that's getting SO OLD. Why can't a hero just do something because it's the right thing to do anymore?

    And when are we getting the F This Commentary track for Vertical Limit? Sounds perfect.

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    1. It WAS Lana Del Rey. Thank you.

      I think the difference for me as far as this interpretation goes is that Bond isn't a superhero; he's a killer. He's a killer on the side of the good guys, but a killer nonetheless. So I don't mind some of the damaged/brooding stuff. I wouldn't even have minded it in something like Man of Steel had the movie been much better.

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  16. I should probably see John Wick, eh? That one has continued to allude my for some reason, despite how amazing it apparently is.

    Also, on the subject of Lucy, I didn't love most of it either, but I continue to appreciate that, between that movie and her turn as Black Widow,, it really demonstrates the potential of Scarlett Johansson: Action Star. She just needs a better script.

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  17. Always happy to hear the Bond , the Pomaro, the Dalton.. wait are they the same person? I do love Eva Green in this. Totally agree with Steve, really want to hear Patrick talk some more on Man with the Golden Gun :)

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  18. Great podcast.
    It's confusing for people, but T Dalts is great.
    Pro tip: Vertical Limit/Stealth/xXx: State Of The Union combo packs have been spotted in the wild.

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  19. I don't like new Bond, he was better

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  20. This film is on a first place between my favourite casino movies https://casinority.com/10-best-casino-movies/ Also I like "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels". It is the first Guy Ritchie film

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