Wednesday, June 4, 2014

F This Movie! - Tombstone

You tell 'em Patrick and Mark Ahn are coming. And Hell is coming with them.

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Also discussed this episode: Memories of Murder (2003), People Like Us (2012), Byzantium (2013), A Million Ways to Die in the West (2014), Maleficent (2014)


  1. Mark,

    I'm glad you enjoyed "Memories of Murder".

    Also good news about the forthcoming "Snowpiercer" release; it will be shown in the U.S uncut and without re-edits by the Weinsteins. Director Bong Joon-Ho was not allowing them to release it with their proposed changes, forestalling them until they relented to release his vision. I saw it last year and it is a good and interesting film deserving of a proper release. Not the re-cut messes that the Weinstein's often put out.

    1. Thanks for the recommendation, Tom. Sorry I couldn't remember it was you during the podcast, but I'll thank you here.

      Happy to hear that SNOWPIERCER is getting a proper release! Also, I think I said August in the podcast; it's coming out in the US on June 27th.

  2. Another example of Kurt Russell's Wyatt Earp being kind of a prick...he tells Dana Delaney, "I'm going to love you every day for the rest of YOUR life." It's assumed he will find a new girl when she kicks the bucket. Dana Delaney wept.

    1. Sounds like a Korean gangster movie. Billy Zane wept.

  3. Edge of Tomorrow isn't perfect, but it is solidly entertaining. Look forward to discussing it after release.

    The thunderstorm scene is amazing. What sort of meth-addled half-wit was responsible for the weather effects in this clunker? Every five seconds..Flash Flash Kablam! It's a perfect representation of just how ridiculous this over-apreciated turd is.

    What a heaping pile of Hollywood garbage, and somehow everyone loves it - 94% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes. You both prefaced the discussion with how much you like this movie, but did you notice how the more you talked about it, how completely absurd, cliché and moronic this movie reveals itself to be? It's a western for people who don't watch, enjoy, or know a tinker's piss about westerns.

    Half the cast feels out of place and anachronistic, and Val Kilmer's 'great' performance is just ostentatious and affected scene-chewing.

    There is clearly some sort of mass-psychosis going on here. This movie F'ing stinks.

    Tom Mix wept.

  5. Oh, and I love the podcast.
    And I'm not trolling, I just can't stand Tombstone, and I'm blown away by the level of appreciation it receives. I get that people like it, the way they like Roadhouse - just don't tell me that Roadhouse is a good movie, cuz it's cornball crap. F that movie, and the horse it rode in on.

  6. How come you guys never mentioned that Ed Bailey (the guy Doc knifes in his introductory scene) is none other than Frank Stallone?

    Also, on why I (and perhaps others my age) might love Tombstone:
    First, similar to Mark Ahn, I became obsessed with gunfighters and their exploits when I was younger. I constantly checked out "The Encyclopedia of Western Gunfighter" and similar books from my local library. The heroes and outlaws of the Wild West were fascinating to me.

    Second, I think I saw Tombstone at the perfect age. If I saw a movie for the first time between the ages of 10 and 18 and I loved it, there was no way I was ever going to let it go. I'd buy the VHS (and later DVD) and watch it once a month. I did this with Independence Day, Mission: Impossible, Saving Private Ryan, Young Guns, There's Something About Mary, The Matrix, Fight Club, every James Bond movie and more. Time has given me the ability to look at some of the films of my youth more objectively, but it hasn't diminished my love for them, Tombstone included.

    Lastly, along similar lines, Tombstone is a western for 13-year-old boys. The characters are over the top and one-dimensional. The lines are campy and clunky. Everything is very theatrical and melodramatic (which kind of works for me since the movie sticks to that heightened style fairly consistently). But to a kid, these things are okay. It's almost like Russell, Kilmer and Co. are living the fantasies young boys have when they play "cowboys and Amercians." They're grown men having the same amount of fun my friends and I did on the playground or in our backyards. The silly or clunky lines ("it's not revenge he's after, it's a reckoning," Johnny Ringo's "great big hole," the Latin-off) instead seem awesome to a young mind that might clearly grasp their lack of depth. Of course, on the other hand, the acting sometimes looks and sounes like a bunch of kids trying to play at being adults too, but still, it's more hit than miss for me.

    Now, is Tombstone one of the best western films of all time? Probably not, but I believe it's one of the best of the past 25 years (which might not be saying much). Regardless, even if it's no Stagecoach, The Searchers, Liberty Valence, Wild Bunch, GB&U, or Unforgiven, it remains one of my favorite western films, savvy?

  7. What made me laugh on the podcast is when you mentioning Wyatt Earp has the bullets coming towards him and he says No. All I could picture is the bullets stopping in mid air like Neo does in Matrix and picturing Wyatt Earp doing the same. Its so wrong for this movie I know. Kneau Reeves as Wyatt Earp. Saying NO.....