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Also discussed this episode: Poetic Justice (1993), Revenge (1990), Lock Up (1989), Jason X (2001), Psycho II (1983), The Good Guy (2009), It Comes At Night (2017)
Adam: 'What is Mr. Freeze's favorite Disney movie? FROZEN!'
ReplyDeleteWRONG! Everybody knows Mr. Freeze is a big fan of John Candy in COOL RUNNINGS! ;-)
Mr. Freeze doesn't just enjoy Disney. He's also a fan of Blue Sky's Ice Age.
DeleteWho is Mr. Freeze's favorite rapper?
Vanilla Ice!
(Sorry for so many comments)
DeleteMy bad, I hadn't gotten to the part where Adam already made the Ice Age joke. I am a comedy failure.
Hopefully we're still cool. ;)
DeleteLet's be civil and nICE!!! to one another. :-P
DeleteI will! The last thing I would want to do is give anyone the COLD shoulder!
DeleteI'm shocked Arnie couldn't just make the computer freeze when Barbara Gordon was hacking the telescope.
DeleteI can't wait for the all Mr. Freeze sequel to Batman V. Superman. Dawn of Just-ice.
DeleteSorry, John, but Zack Snyder and Warner Bros. have put your Mr. Freeze sequel idea in COLD storage.
DeleteIcy what you did there. :)
DeleteWhat can I say? I'm a cold blooded customer. :-P
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ReplyDeleteI like this idea of a Mr. Freeze that just spews ice facts.
ReplyDelete"Silly Batman! Don't you know that the freezing point of water is 32 degrees fahrenheit or 0 degrees celceus?!"
Cheers, guys! Riske, always a pleasure conversing with you!
ReplyDeletecool, will make a booze game out of it. Everytime Patrick does the fake Arnie accent, I will drink a schnaps. "Who killed the dinosaurs??"
ReplyDeleteCouldn't agree more about It Comes at Night. So much rage at the end.
ReplyDeleteI also just read The Caped Crusade by Glen Weldon, which chronicles the entire history of Batman. Highly, highly recommended! It's really funny and is very fair to this movie, as you two were. I'm definitely not a fan, but I agree it's a fascinating movie.
Never would say it's good but I like it, always have. Now I just view it through a Ken Russell lens, which is mostly stylistically yes, but enough
ReplyDeleteGlad to hear you guys saw It Comes at Night. I had a different reaction in that I really enjoyed it, despite sitting with the worst audience I've ever experienced in my life...They thought it was a comedy.
ReplyDeleteThe real highlight of my night was the trailer for A Ghost Story. I've never been brought to tears from a movie trailer before and I cannot wait for that film to come out. Any thoughts about the film/trailer? (Won't come out for another 3 weeks here in Canada).
I've heard nothing but praise for A Ghost Story so I'm curious.
DeleteI second Adam's ranking order. Always ready to go to bad for Batman Forever.
ReplyDeleteReally fantastic show guys. I was actually worried when I saw you were covering this. After all, what the world REALLY doesn't need is one more movie talk show trashing on this movie (*cough*everyyoutubecritic*cough*). Yeah, it's bad we get it. Glad to see you guys taking a much smarter and better approach. Well, I shouldn't be surprised, right? Thanks guys!
ReplyDeleteAlso, I really liked It Comes at Night. Yeah, it's bleak as hell but I think there's a place for movies like that if they're really well made. I think I was also just so thankful to get to see a non-blockbuster in a theater. It's kind of rare where I live.
Appreciate the level-headed review. This is a film that got (and continues to get) such an oversized beating from critics and the "nerd community" (who are really most annoyed that Schumacher finds Batman a little bit silly and a little bit kinky).
ReplyDeleteIt isn't a good film but it's far from unwatchable. I agree with Patrick, it's the lazy, half-assed script (a near beat-for-beat copy of Batman Forever in terms of structure) that is the most egregious.
I'm so glad the way this podcast turned out. I love Arnold's terrible performance, and all of the chincy production design. I'll take the beautiful disaster of B&R over the kind of confused, bland mess that is Batman Forever.
ReplyDeleteWhat is Mr Freeze's favorite status of a police investigation?
ReplyDeleteA cold case.
What is Mr Freeze's favorite type of informer?
ReplyDeleteSnow
What is Mr Freeze's favorite Walter Hill movie?
ReplyDeleteTrespass (starring Ice T AND Ice Cube)
What is Mr. Freeze's favorite Woody Woodpecker character?
ReplyDeleteCHILLY Willy. Get it, uh? Because he's (C)OLD!!! :-P
I get pretty upset...for a long time...when I don't like a movie. I think it has something to do with feeling like my response was maybe wrong and wanting to understand why. I hate feeling like I missed something or I don't understand what other people liked about it. Actually I can accept it a lot better if someone who DOES like the movie explains it to me, I just feel more settled about it, which is I'm sure why I'm here. Like my sister will like stuff I dislike, but when she lays out her argument it's better because I trust she's not an insane person. I need to feel sane, Adam. That's it.
ReplyDeleteMost recently I didn't like Zodiac or The Third Man. It kind of killed me.
DeleteI don't understand your first comment. Did I help you feel sane about something with my thoughts on the show?
DeleteWhat were your hang-ups with Zodiac and The Third Man. I will happily explain why I think they're great movies :-)
Oh I was just responding and answering your question on the show about why some people feel so disappointed when they end up disliking a movie they wanted to like.
DeleteSo what'd you like about Zodiac? And since there was no resolution, at which point did you feel satisfied? It seemed a lot like an "if only" scenario to me. Oh, if only I had faxed that other station this handwriting sample. If only I had a fax machine. If only they questioned that guy, if only I could get in touch with that other guy. It may be historically accurate (Id never heard about the murders before and didn't realize they were unresolved), but I got tired of them missing their opportunities and stuff. I liked the scene when they interviewed Lee. Other than that, I didn't know how to feel satisfied with this.
I kept feeling like I wasn't sure why I should care about Harry Lime. Didn't seem that great or innocent a guy and it was a messy period and place with tons of other, similar stuff going on, and I wasn't surprised by any turn of events. Was this about the love story?
I love that you were disappointed by Zodiac because it couldn't resolve things for you, because much like A Serious Man, the theme of the movie was unknowability; having to confront the reality that there are questions you may never know the answers to, and that all your surest techniques of solving a problem may still be unreliable or ineffectual. Great movies move past storytelling and are about exploring an experience. My go to analogy is that you don't listen to a song and demand a coherent storyline, or praise its "world-building", you listen to it, likely over and over, because it's enjoyable.
DeleteRe: disappointment...I remember now :-)
DeleteZodiac is the best movie of the 2000s in my humble opinion. I think the movie is about obsession and how the case ruined many lives including investigators (news and law enforcement) because it became all-consuming. It's true crime so it won't be resolved however there is some catharsis in Graysmith staring right back at evil (i.e. who he thought was the Zodiac killer).
The Third Man is a classic I love. I think the story is more about Holly Martins and Harry Lime's friendship than anything. It tells an interesting story where a detestable person (Lime) can get away with horrible crimes because his friends don't want to believe he's a bad person (Martins, Lime's gf etc.). Joseph Cotton gives, I think, one of the great film performances in that movie.
There's an episode of the animated series The Critic, a show that was cancelled way before its time, in which the titular character Jay Sherman is kidnapped by someone who is made fun of by her friends because she likes movies she shouldn't and dislikes movies she should.
DeleteI identified with this woman for quite a while, until I came to the following realisation: I like what I like and dislike what I dislike, and I don't have to defend either of these positions.
If F This Movie has a message, Meredith, I think this might be it.
Gives self pat on the back and puts on 2001's Thirteen Ghosts for the umptieth time. Oh, it's garbage you say? It has 14% on Rotten Tomatoes? Meh. I love it, and that's the only thing that matters.
Hey thanks guys! Sorry for my delay.
DeleteESADD - Well thanks, I'll keep that in mind. That's definitely somewhere I'd like to be in life: accepting of the questions and experiences I cannot answer or understand. God, I'm far from that.
Adam - Appreciate your little explanations! There was a line near the end about how it was ruining some of their lives, but I guess I was just more interested in the moment in finding the killer. I remember feeling sorry for Chloe Sevigny's character for falling in love with a guy who wasn't present for her to begin with. He was the same at the end as he was in the beginning.
Nonnymouse - Right on, lady.
Who is Mr. Freeze's favourite Regency-era arbiter of men's fashion? George Bryan "Beau" Brummell. Because, you know, "brumal" means relating to the winter.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I know it doesn't work when written down. Or at all.
Oh, screw you.
Why isn't he called Doctor Freeze? Did he lose his medical license when he became a supervillain?