Monday, March 6, 2017

F This Movie! 376 - Logan

Patrick, Mike and Adam Thas are getting too old for this shit.



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Also discussed this episode: Doctor Strange (2016), Arrival (2016), Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (1999), The LEGO Batman Movie (2017), Lion (2016), Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl (2003), Tickled (2016), Mr. Right (2016), I Am a Ghost (2012), Double Indemnity (1944), The Assignment (2017)

40 comments:

  1. *looks at movie
    *looks at guests
    *looks at runtime

    We gonna eat good tonight.

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  2. I'm not saying you guys need to record every podcast twice from here on out but I'm 20 minutes in to listening to this and I've been in tears from laughing multiple times now.

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  3. man, you couldn't release this 30 minutes earlier so i could get it for my ride to work. now i have to wait for the end of the day.

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    1. darn it, the episdoe is still not in my itunes podcast feed.

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  4. My respect and admiration to you guys for toughing it out and recoding this a second time. I could swear that I heard a bit of your original recoding as it was being broadcast on YouTube, so at least I got some of it.

    Anyway, I hope instead of rebooting Wolverine, they just let X23 be the new thing. You didn't really talk about her much, but she's such a little badass, and I wouldn't mind seeing a lot more of her.

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  5. I didn't know about Mr. Right until Chaybee recommended it but I loved it. It's very whimsical and silly but I enjoyed the hell out of it. Sam Rockwell is almost always awesome(except the Poltergeist remake) and makes everything better. I'm with Rob because I haven't really disliked Anna Kendrick in anything. It reminded me a little of Kingsman where people are getting killed but it doesn't take it seriously. If you like Rockwell and Kendrick give it a shot.

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    1. "Mr. Right" was in my top ten last year. To me, it's just one of the most goddamn charming movies I've ever seen (and I'm not even an Anna Kendrick fan). All of the action works it's funny and romantic most of the time. Disagree with Patrick on this one 100%.

      You already know I think "I am a Ghost" is freakin' amazing but I would advise everyone check out what Patrick has to say on the Splathouse podcast as he hits the nail on the head regarding how special that film is. And it does have the best Title Card ever.

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  6. THANK YOU for your commitment guys, its gotta be the worst thing when you realize it did not record,

    It has made for an amazing podcast, you guys feel kinda drunk with the insanity of doing it all again and it is a fantastic listen

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  7. Despite Anna Kendrick being my sun and stars, I really can't argue with Patrick on this one. I just somehow find that self-involved endearing.

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    1. She seems like an attainable goal for you Rob. You just need to network. Start with Daily Dead and go from there.

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    2. I'm all in on love for Anna Kendrick. Not all of her movies are the greatest, but to me she still seems like the most adorable thing ever.

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    3. She seems like the type of girl you're friends with and then realize 10 years later you could have dated and didn't because you thought you had better options but those never wound up materializing.

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    4. I would hope that I'd have more sense than to pass up that opportunity, haha.

      "I wish you were my girlfiend"
      "Girlfriends can be nice. You just had a bad one"
      "I bet you'd be a good one."

      Joseph Godon-Levitt knows.

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    5. She's good in everything she's given a chance to be a person in. The problem is that so many roles just have her shrug awkwardly and be self depreciating. It's not a true indication of what she can be.

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  8. For those interested, and mostly the kid, there's a star wars lego tv series. It's awesome

    There's even a joke sbout han solo shooting first. He litterally says; of course i shot first

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  9. "...if you've ever wanted to see Michelle Rodriguez with a dick..."

    I didn't know that I did, but now that you mention it...

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  10. While I did like Logan a whole lot, it did all but lose me about halfway through, and didn't get me back until the last 10 minutes. So, spoilers, but when Xavier decided to stay at that farm and knowingly put that whole family in danger, I couldn't wait for him to be killed. I found it to be wholly out of line with his character, and nothing more than Mangold setting up this grisly Massacre. And it completely ruined his final words, about feeling remorse for what happened in Westchester and presumably killing the x-men, cause he was doing the exact same thing. He could've at least given them a hint, right? "Don't put too much thought into that homework, kid. You probably won't be around to hand it in." I really do hate to be that guy, but it bothered me to no end. Luckily, the preceding 90 minutes and last 10 are so well done that it didn't ruin it for me. My apologies, rant over.

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    1. My girlfriend, oh yeah, I've got one of those, and I were having this discussion on the way home from the movie. I think what they were trying to do with that was drive home exactly why Logan is the way he is and to show the audience, who know that family is dead from the moment they invite them for a meal, how fucking awful it must be going through life when literally everyone you ever come close to caring about dies. I think that if Charles were more clear of mind he wouldn't have allowed them to stay but it also showed that deep down Logan does want to have these connections, which is why it is so painful when he doesn't allow himself to in order to protect people. When I think about that sequence in that way I can see why they had it in there.

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  11. Congratulations on the funniest episode you have done in ages. Nerdle is welcome any time! One thing: you have a long discussion about the meaning behind Logan's last line. Pretty sure that was simply a callback to Prof. X's line to him in the farmhouse just before (spoiler alert) the massacre: take a moment, Logan. This is what family feels like.

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    1. My thoughts, too (both on the meaning behind Logan's last line, and how hilarious this episode was)

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    2. Nice - thank you. I definitely thought he was just saying "this is what dying feels like" but I like that interpretation a whole lot better and it makes much more story sense.

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  12. I'm so embarrassed. That little rainbow-colored chipmunk fuck from She-Ra is not named Glomer. That's the the dipshit sidekick from Punky Brewster. That sneaky, hiding little bastard is named Loo-Kee. GET IT

    Please, everyone, don't unsubscribe from the podcast over this grievous error.

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    1. I'm sorry, Patrick. That is something I just can't forgive. *hugs extensive collection of Loo-Kee dolls*

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    2. Can I Alan Smithee myself off of this podcast now??

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    3. Patrick, I appreciate that in order for you to come out and correct your error you also had to admit that in addition to She-Ra you watched the Punky Brewster cartoon as well. I'm going to assume that you capped off every episode by earnestly exclaiming "You're so cool Brewster!".

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    4. I think it's hilarious that we went from a deep cut in 80's lore by mistaking it for an even deeper cut.

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    5. I actually think you just created a world where Punky Brewster grows up to be She-Ra. And that is a world I want to live in.

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  13. That was an all timer. I think Nerdle and Krendall from the Pieces commentary could've had an ABC TGIF show together in '93.

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    1. It's Krandall. Not a big deal. Just have to protect the IP's, know what I'm saying?

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  14. I'm only about a half-hour in and really loving this Take Two podcast - always fun to hear you three - I'm going to have to stop soon because I'm the only one that didn't see the movie but I just wanted to share my recent Star Wars Nerd-Dad moment. My son is 2.25 years old - too young to really watch the movies but I thought I'd show him a few minutes. When the Tantive IV went past lasers blasting and then the Star Destroyer filled the screen, my son looked up at me, eyes wide and said, "Wow!" Yes!

    Looking forward to the rest of the show (and Logan)!

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    1. The other day my son turned to me, stood on his bed and said "Come with me an rule the galaxy as father and son." I cried a little with pride.

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    2. That's awesome!

      Saw this last night - loved it. Listened to the rest of your podcast - loved it too.

      The one point I wanted to bring up was regarding what Professor X apparently did to the X-Men - I thought it was super ballsy to have such an important bit of history left completely mysterious. Patrick, you might have missed when they're on the highway after the casino there's a radio news thing talking about the incident that says something like, "Years ago he (Prof X) was involved in an incident that injured ## people and killed ## others including several of the--" and then Wolverine shuts it off. I wonder if they're leaving out the deets just to be teasingly ambiguous or if they're going to fill in the timeline with another movie - I'm fine either way.

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    3. I don't think they really left it mysterious. The report on the radio was saying that the incident at the Casino was similar to an event that happened a few years back in Westchester (which of course is where the school is) which injured people and killed several others. Logan does turn it off before the sentence is finished but it's pretty clear the last word there was going to be X-men. Charles doesn't remember what he did since it was likely the result of another seizure and Logan has been keeping it from him.

      Also, looking at an interview just now, it looks like the movie was at one point going to start with the scene of what happened but Mangold ultimately decided to cut it leaving what happened to unfold throughout the course of the movie instead.

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    4. Yeah, yeah, I got that, I'd still consider [spoiler]..."Professor X had a seizure and killed hundreds of people including several X-Men" to be pretty vague in a genre that tends to beat you over the head with stuff and that's this movie all over. Gutsy move that pays off as far as I'm concerned. I'm glad he didn't open the movie with that scene.

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  15. Great podcast, guys! Loved this movie and loved hearing your discussion of it.

    I know, EVERYBODY loves Wolverine - but I love Wolverine for personal reasons that go beyond "he's cool." This movie gave me two more deeply personal reasons to feel connected to Wolverine -- and now to Laura (you all keep calling her X23 but she has a name!) -- as a person who was adopted, and as a person who lost their father at an early age. I see Laura reading the X-Men comic book not only to learn about this father that was absent from her life, but to learn about herself, both her past and her future. I loved how this movie explores the intertwining of our past and our future into the knot of our present. The three central figures all represent all three things to each other, creating a character dynamic that's so interesting and dynamic.

    I really enjoyed your podcast discussion of Logan's final line, as well as the comment above tying it to Xavier's comment to Logan about what family feels like -- that final line represents both, and brings those ideas together in such a beautiful way, right? Having a family means experiencing death. The only way not to lose people we care about is to never care about people. Returning to help his daughter may lead to Logan's death -- but those two things together (allowing himself to care, and possessing a body that's not immortal) means that he's fully experiencing his own humanity. And that's what it feels like.

    I also loved your discussion about Patrick's point re "but it's not just a (comic book/sci fi/horror) film, it's great!" as if these genres are somehow precluded from making meaningful statements about the human experience. That attitude is SO frustrating. I'm (re-)watching Dangerous Days right now (Blade Runner documentary) and Ridley Scott refers to Alien -- a seminal film that clearly has a lot on its mind -- as a "kind of hardcore horror film" and I wanted to be able to turn to all three of you and say "see, HE GETS IT!" I hope we're moving toward a time when general audiences will finally begin to see what great film makers (and film lovers like you guys) have known for decades: EVERY genre offers its own particular tropes that can be explored to tell incredibly complex and compelling human stories.

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  16. Anna Kendrick works too much! She's in a lot of bad movies and I really can't recall anything that she's been in that has been outstanding. She is the definition of 'fine' and not the 'you're attractive' fine.

    Still can't believe Mike and Adam didn't invite Patrick, pretty weak guys. Anyways, you're overtired tirades had me in stitches the whole show.

    I saw Logan last Saturday afternoon and it's been a while since an ending of a movie really left me speechless. I honestly couldn't form an opinion at the time. It was weird, I went home and just felt sort of depressed and wasn't even sure if I liked it or not. Now that I've had some time to gather my thoughts and recoup a bit I can honestly say that the film was rough, but in the best possible way. I think the ending surprised me a lot, not in a sense that Wolverine ended up where he did, I was almost positive it would end that way, but just how much the character of Wolverine mattered to me. I've been going to these movies since I was 11 years old, I've seen almost all in the theater (I was lucky enough to miss Origins, lol) and I have always enjoyed Hugh Jackman in the role of Wolverine, no matter if he was wise-cracky or not. It really surprised me, how much I cared about that character. I'm sad, but also very happy that this movie left him a great legacy, ending on the highest note possible.

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