Wednesday, August 4, 2021

FTM 593: A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 5: THE DREAM CHILD

Patrick and Adam Riske do their annual Flashback Weekend roundup before diving into their favorite unloved NoES sequel.



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Also discussed this episode: Pig (2021), Woodstock '99: Peace, Love, and Rage (2021), Hail to the Deadites (2020), Space Jam: A New Legacy (2021), The Fear Street Trilogy (2021), Jungle Cruise (2021), Val (2021)

220 comments:

  1. Speaking of Heat, on the bluray for the 15th anniversary of the movie, there's an extra feature which a Q&A panel with all the cast and crew. That's when i realised what happened to Val. It was so sad seeing struggle to simply talk.

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  2. Just here doing my part to help someone get that 200th comment. ;)

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  3. #3

    I hope to have a wizards death...

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  4. I am so enjoying how long it's taking you guys to talk about nightmare 5, this is beautiful.

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  5. Now I heard that 200th comment challenge.

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  6. Well, not really, I need to edit some audio

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  7. It'd be fun to post that 'The Good Son' trivia

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  8. I'm stalling because I don't want to start editing

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  9. I'll finish the episode and then get started

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  10. Stephen Hopkins really is awesome

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  11. Comment #200: Wow...cant believe im the 200th person to comment. Tis weird that i randomly, and in NO way intentionally, ended up commenting 200th. Odd really.

    Anyhoo i was just dropping by before i head off to Munich for the international semi-finals of the MCTTC (Macauly Culkin Trivia Thunderdome Challenge). Turns out the competition isnt that strong this year seeing as ive seen virtually none of his movies. I managed to win alot of early rounds by 'winging it'. For example when asked about a plot summary for The Good Son i just said "ahhh yes, great flick, he really came into his own from a dramatic perspective. i believe thats the movie where he and his uncle buck team up to best some home invaders by tricking them into a basement filled with angry bees. the home invaders weren't allergic or anything, turns out you really cant survive being stung by a poopton of angry bees*. Those events lead him into witness relocation where he adopts the name Richard Rich and spends most of his time doing drugs in the NY club scene. Also, based on the video box i think he's like some kind of sociopath kid?".


    (*Editors Note: I thought about adding a bit where MacCauly donned an Austin Powers costume as part of how he tricked the bandits to the bee laden basement so he could turn to the camera as they painfully died, placed his hands on his face, and said "OHHHH Bee-Hive!". But that seemed like a long walk for the bit. Buuuuut not too long to postcript here).

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  12. I'm the biggest 'Ghost And The Darkness Fan' I know

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  13. Okay, goodbye. Thanks for the show, it's very appreciated.

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  14. Thank you Adam for pronouncing Elias properly. It seems like every other podcast hasn’t never seen the name before.
    El-ee-uhs...

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  15. Hey! I watched The Good Son just the other day.

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  16. I'm back because you guys are still talking and I'm still stalling

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  17. Val Kilmer was in 'Ghost And The Darkness', looking like ALL of the handsome

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  18. I just got the Renny Harlin joke

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  19. It was my own personal Cliffhanger

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  20. Meaning it took too long for me to get there, but I enjoyed every minute

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  21. Also John Lithgow was menacing me the whole way

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  22. They just discovered the bones of what the think was the smartest dinosaur...

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  23. Ok, now I'm out. This is the long kiss goodnight

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  24. I actually do dislike 'Nomadland'. Should've just been a documentary, not glory shots of McDormand pretending to be desperate amongst people that are living fascinating and difficult lives. And David Strathairn out of nowhere.

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  25. Here's a fun way to get to 200 comments...

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  26. What's everybody's most frightening and/or romantic film from their childhood?

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    1. Great question Will...and my money is on you for 200.

      Most frightening film from childhood is a toughie for me because boy howdy did movies scare me as a kid. I do have two strong memories that kinda answer:

      MOVIE SCENE: I stayed up late when i was around 9 or 10 and snuck watched the 70s Invasion of the Bodysnatchers. The final scene in the street with Donald Sutherland scared the living crap out of me. still does thinking about it. i did not turn off the lights that nite.

      TV Scare: I know you werent asking about short form storytelling...but the second biggest scare i recall aligns with above...comes down to a final shot....in this case its the last moment with the Talky Tina doll in the Twilight Zone ep of the same name. The evil doll trope is always a good one but NO one has done it as well as this episode of the zone.

      Honorable Mention and probably the best actual answer to your question: decades later with countless horror flicks under my belt i gotta tip my hat to Poltergeist. Maybe it was that i saw it very young but i think it stands the test of time as one of the best scary movies ever made. Also..PG!?

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    2. Great answers! Thanks! I love hearing peoples specific movie imprints

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    3. Far and Away 💁🏻‍♀️ For some reason as a kid I liked the idea of a couple being together in order to survive, like this couple, tryna make it in a foreign land. It seemed so practical. I thought that was the best kind of romance.

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    4. Married to the Mob. Looking back, I don't think it's supposed to be a scary movie (?), but it got under my skin. Something about Alec Baldwin in a bathtub creeped me out. I always tell myself I'll revisit it someday because I was probably imagining things back then.

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    5. Alec Baldwin is kind of inherently intimidating, like a playground bully

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    6. Also far and away, great call.

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    7. Scare: Ben Gardners boat.

      Favorite frightening movie as a kid is Poltergeist. My aunt had a long hallway with a closet at the end which had a normal door and had bedrooms leading to either side. I had nightmares about the beast coming out of that door for years.

      Romance is Bringing up Baby. Saw it the first time in a high school film class and loved it. Then I had a Baader-Meinhof phenomenon situation and started seeing it all the time on AMC back when AMC was what TCM has become. I was hooked. Still one of my all time faves.

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    8. When I was 4, the neighbour was supposed to watch me one afternoon while my parents were out. He put his 3-year-old daughter and me in front of Child's Play 3, because why wouldn't you? Needless to say I had a bit of a problem with dolls for a little while. Also, I've always remembered the last scene vividly, which I won't spoil but involves some kind of propeller, so much so that I ended up thinking I'd just imagined it... until I rewatched the movie 15 or so years later and saw on the screen the exact same scene that had played in my head all those years. Wow! Wow.

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    9. @Munkee....AHHHHHHHH!!! BEN GARDNERS BOAT! Absolutely that f@#$ked me up as a kid!! Scariest part of Jaws for me.

      Trivia: im pretty sure i read this in Gottlieb's book The Jaws Log, but that the ben gardner 'reveal' was like the last shot filmed..after primary production wrapped..they did it in someones pool in LA.

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    1. Such an amazing flick and its been years since ive seen it...must revisit.

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  28. HOPKINNNNNNNNNS BUUUUUUUUUUUUUMP

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  30. 152 more comments to go. Let's do it!!!!! :D

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  31. Adam totally wrote those books I don't like

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  32. ok...ill fill a few spots stealing a bit from the great Blaine Capatch:

    A Nightmare on Elm Street 6: Five Nights and Deaths at Freddy's

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  33. A Nightmare on Elm Street 7: Fredaloo Boogaloo

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  34. A Nightmare on Elm Street 8: At 98 We All Rotate, to our deaths!

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  35. A Nightmare on Elm Street 9: Nine Times Mrs Bueller? Its a Fools Paradise, Fred is just leading your son down the primrose Path

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  36. A Nightmare on Elm Street 10: Not So Lucky Charms

    (aka: Freddie Vs Leprechaun)

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  37. A Nightmare on Elm Street 11: Freddy Joins Spinal Tap

    (get it...11...get it!? sigh)

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  38. A Nightmare on Elm Street 12: Freddy Infects Amazon

    tagline: WELCOME TO PRIME DAY B@TCH!

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  39. "A Nightmare on Elm Street 13: Freddie vs Jason But This Time We Swear It'll Be a Little Bit Better. Honestly. Maybe? F@ck its Hard to Do Crossover Movies."

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  40. A Nightmare on Elm Street 14: Fredmonton Fitzgerald

    Fred to a random kid: "ITS BEEN GOOD TO KNOW YAAAAA"

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  41. A Nightmare on Elm Street 15: Freddy and the Cruisers

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  42. A Nightmare on Elm Street 16: Asleep at the Water Park (aka Wet Dream).

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  43. A Nightmare on Elm Street 17: DREAMSCAPE

    (i was thinking they could just re-release Dreamscape with like one or two shots of Freddy added? most folks have forgotten that flick, right? plus its kinda similar in scope? and its got the great creepy guy from Warriors and John Wi....im going on too long arent i?)

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  44. A Nightmare on Elm Street 18: Kruger...I Dont Even Know Her!

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  45. A Nightmare on Elm Street 19: 19..Na Na 19

    (re: Paul Hardcastle. re: 80s One Hit Wonders)

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  46. A Nightmare on Elm Street 20: Freddy vs Patrick Dempsy Eating Nuggets...

    (wait for it)....

    aka: Freddy vs MacDreamy

    (sorry)

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  47. A Nightmare on Elm Street 21: BLACKJACK!

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  48. A Nightmare on Elm Street 22: A Nightmare Before Christmas

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  49. A Nightmare on Elm Street 23: Space Jam Freddy!

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  50. A Nightmare on Elm Street 24: Freddy vs Kiefer Sutherland

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  51. I'm gonna need a minute, got to go watch 'Mirrors'.

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  52. Oh no...why would I, Amy Smart, do that tomyself?

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  53. Amy Smart's dating profile after 'Mirrors'...

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  54. Turns out it's wicked hard getting 200 comments

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    1. indeed...but it aint impossible! plus we're bound to get a few slots filled in by Bots trying to get us to click thru to "free many movie site".

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  55. Everytime I refresh the page its going up 1 comment. Here's a Owen Wilson quote that has nothing to do with anything to celebrate

    "You can think of Hollywood as high school. TV actors are freshmen, comedy actors are maybe juniors, and dramatic actors - they're the cool seniors."

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  56. Did you know Kelly Jo Minter was in Mask. Not the one about the cars that turn into helicopters. That's M.A.S.K. Different beast but great theme song.

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  57. Anyways, where was I? Kelly Jo Minter was in the Eric Stoltz and Cher movie, 'Mask: The Rocky Dennis Story'. Its a small role but very memorable.

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  58. I tried to find a Kelly Jo Minter quote but was unsuccessful.
    Instead please enjoy this random quote from the author named Kelly Minter

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  59. “Satan will often tell us what is true, but will never tell us the truth.”
    ― Kelly Minter, No Other gods: Confronting Our Modern Day Idols

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  60. I'm pretty sure that Kelly Minter never saw Nightmare 5 or Summer School.

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  61. maybe once at like a church lock in.

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  62. To make up for that how bout this Kelly line quote

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  63. “You and your brother are landlords of over 50 buildings in this city, all of which you've allowed to deteriorate into rat infested hellholes while you guys get rich charging ridiculous rents. Then, you evict anyone the minute they can't pay rent so you can tear down their homes and build some more office buildings, isn't that about right?”
    KELLY JO MINTER - Ruby Williams 'People Under the Stairs'

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  64. Did you read it in Adams voice?

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  65. Do you think Don Cheadle is cool with his agent yet?

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  66. Tuesday Night once played a character named Val. She did not get a documentary though

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  67. Well, I watched The Toxic Avenger. I tried to like it. I know I'm like a fish out of water on this site with my basic taste in movies. But, that's fine with me.

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  68. I liked Patrick's write up on it.

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  69. Haven't seen any Boo Berry. But you know what movie did get a cereal?Space Jam 2. I didn't buy any but I bet it taste of mediocrity, chuck jones tears and ball sweat.

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  71. Neither Kelly Jo Minter, Suzanne Snyder or Shawnee Smith have played a character named Val.

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  72. Shawnee Smith is credited with the role of 'redhead' in two separate films.

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  73. One of those movies was Armageddon

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  74. Kelly Jo Minter was not in Armageddon

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  75. Owen Wilson was in Armageddon.

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  76. Charlton Heston was up for a role in 'House Party' but was beat out by Martin Lawrence

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  77. Due to this Charlton Heston has never worked with Kelly Jo Minter.

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  78. Fun fact! I saw the Good Son because
    the Program was sold out. I then saw the Program the next night.

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  79. In some cities Dazed in Confused and Warlock Armageddon premiered the same weekend.

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  80. They did not play in Anchorage till later

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  81. It was not a good weekend movie watching wise

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  82. Would Charlton Heston or Kelly Jo Minters presence in Warlock Armageddon make it a better movie.

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  83. I bet Charlton Heston would have killed the MAc role in Good Son.

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  84. Whatever happened to that other kid that was in the good son?

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  85. I hope he was able to keep working in hollywood. Seemed like an affable little guy

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  86. The week before Airborne came out.

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  87. I did not see airborne in the theaters cuz I was "cool" and it was a roller blading movie.

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  88. Airborne is actually entertaining

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  89. And a young Jack Black on Roller Blades

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  90. Jack Black has not worked with Kelly Jo

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  91. He was in the Cable Guy though

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  92. You know who else was in 'The Cable Guy'?

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  93. Patrick, you should absolutely watch The Ruins! I'd strongly recommend the book too, it's pretty great and the experiment-like approach the author takes is fascinating ("let's pick these absolute morons, put them in this extreme situation and see where that goes", without ever judging them for their -very- poorly informed choices), but the film suffers a bit from the comparison. So maybe watch it first! (it's still very good, it just feels a bit rushed, as the book basically takes place in real time, which makes everything that much more horrifying)

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    1. I absolutely second Ed B.s comments! I looooooooooooooooooooved the book. Couldnt put it down and am so bummed Scott Smith hasnt written anything since. The adaptation is fine and a solid horror outing for sure. Do check one of them out!

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    2. IT'S A BOOK?! I'm getting it.

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    3. Yay! All aboard the Ruins train!!

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  94. I could be alone here, but I love A Civil Action and think Travolta is absolutely the best part of it. That's his last "great" performance to me.

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    1. It's def his last prestige performance, whatever that means. I also love that movie. Bluecollar gruff but loving dad Gandolfini is my favorite Gandolfini

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  95. A Nightmare On Elm Street 25: Freds Dead Baby, Freds Dead

    (Note: the trailer will reveal the title in a voiceover cameo done by Bruce Willis reprising his Butch character from Pulp Fiction (Note within a Note: Bruce will receive $1mil a syllable for the voiceover))

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  96. A Nightmare on Elm Street 26: Snausagegeddon

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  97. Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yër ?

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  98. A Nightmare on Elm Street 27: Lincolns Wife Kills Freddy

    aka

    (wait for it...this ones a doosy)

    aka: F.K., Mary, Kill

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  99. A Nightmare on Elm Street 28: Deez Nuts!

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  100. A Nightmare on Elm Street 29: Freddy Munster

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  101. A Nightmare on Elm Street 30: Oh Freddy You're So Fine, You're So Fine You Blow My Mind(literally), Hey Freddy! Hey Freddy!

    (a second one hit 80s wonder reference!?!! #my-wheelhouse)

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  102. A Nightmare on Elm Street 31: The Fartening

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  103. A Nightmare on Elm Street 32: WFLD

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  104. A Nightmare on Elm Street 33: Freddy vs Woverine vs Scissorhands

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  105. A Nightmare on Elm Street 34: Freddy vs Wolverine vs Scissorhands vs Ash vs Candyman vs Cherry Darling (grindhouse) vs Luke Skywalker vs Gazelle (kingsmen)

    (man theres a lot of appendage weaponry based characters!)

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    1. I hope you are going to write treatments on all these ideas

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  106. Incedentally, why was the Gotham PD hunting for the Batman?

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  107. Well, he keeps murdering people with a baseball bat

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  108. Friday the 13th part 11: old Tommy, as played by Richard Jenkins

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  109. Friday the 13th part 12: Almost there

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  110. Friday the 13th part 13: We made it!

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  111. Sorry...Titanic 2: Iceberg Takes Manhattan

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  112. Of course the iceburg is only in Manhattan in the last 25 minutes or so

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  113. Then it gets drenched in toxic waste and turns into a 'What's Eating Gilburt Grape' Leonardo Dicaprio

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  114. I'm on a lunch break. I can pop a couple more off

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  115. 'The Dark Knight Rises' is appropriately named.

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  116. I don't even think you can call that allegory

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  117. A friend of mine worked on 'The Dark Knight Rises', and at the City Hall fight scene, they were running out of daylight...

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  118. So Nolan just told Matthew Modine to lay on the ground and act dead

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  119. Somebody in Chicago best get that #200

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  120. Friday the 13th part 14: Fooled you!

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  121. ok, I have to admit I'm ridiculously excited

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  122. I actually thought the remake was pretty fun.

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  123. I guess I like fast Jason, as opposed to lumbering Jason

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  124. Somebody take it, I'm back to work

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